John was a stalwart supporter of our organization, generously participating without fail in every single annual fundraising campaign since our inception. We are grateful for his enthusiastic support and send our warm wishes for peace and comfort to John’s family.

A former PP55 fellow in Boston slices fruit at a farmer's market.

In September 2010, Gordon Douglas MD ’55 and Sheila Mahoney began a conversation about food.

The Focus on Food initiative was conceived with the goal of cultivating Project 55 fellowship opportunities for recent Princeton graduates at organizations committed to food-related issues in this country. The issues range from obesity to farm factory pollution to food safety regulation to farm worker rights—all of which may be linked to our industrial food system, which is itself a product of government policies and business practices that support the production of vast quantities of low-priced, low-grade food, whatever the costs to the common good. As diverse and numerous as the issues may be, Focus on Food recognizes four broad areas of advocacy in today’s food movement: public health, environmental sustainability, social justice and animal welfare. Alumni have the opportunity to advance the issues in any one of these areas, whether by examining policy, promoting awareness or effecting change on the ground.

Take Action.

-   Are you an experienced professional? Put your principles into practice. Become an AlumniCorps Community Volunteer and donate your expertise to a food-related nonprofit.

-   Look at your own personal and professional networks. What organizations in your community are working on the food problem? Who might take a Project 55 Fellow or a skills-based AlumniCorps Community Volunteer?

-   Are you passionate about sustainable, healthy food? Help us to organize an educational panel or event for alumni in one of our AlumniCorps cities.

-   Are you a professional working in food and public health, social justice, the environment, or animal welfare? Contact us about speaking at an AlumniCorps seminar or panel for Project 55 fellows.

-   Join the conversation. Which of the four food system issues most concern you?  How can we start a dialogue? Click here to apply for membership in the AlumniCorps Focus on Food online discussion.

This year Alejandro plans to work for the same clinic in Spanish Harlem as a Health Education Outreach Worker, where he will implement new initiatives to better track the patients.  Apart from this, Alejandro’s central focus is writing, from poetry to short fiction.  While he does hope to attend graduate school in clinical psychology, he knows that writing will always be an important part of his life. 

Q: How/Why did you get involved with Princeton AlumniCorps? Did it surprise you to learn that Princeton AlumniCorps is a multigenerational organization?

I knew my senior year in college that I wanted to do some form of public service, whether abroad or here in the US.  I wanted an experience that would combine my interest in public service and clinical psychology.  When I got a position at New York Center for Child Development, I knew it would be a formative experience, one that would make a meaningful impact on the people of East Harlem.

Yes, it surprised me to discover that Princeton AlumniCorps. engages different generations either through programs or initiatives for different classes or just through the network of people involved with the program.

Q: What is your background regarding nonprofits/volunteering? How have you demonstrated “Princeton in the Nation’s Service?”

I have been volunteering since I was a sophomore in high school.  I started volunteering in an ER at a local hospital, then taught an ESL class for YWCA, and then proceeded to apply to public service programs.

Working in East Harlem as an assistant to a mental health team has taught me that change can be on an individual or institutional level.  By normalizing mental health services in a community where it still holds a stigma and by treating patients from that same community, I have been a part of movement that combines both the individual and institutional change.  Ultimately though  I think our motto speaks to our awareness and engagement with the community around us in whatever capacity that may be.  I think I have accomplished this.

Q: What’s the most important thing you look for when supporting an organization or serving on a nonprofit board?

I look first at the mission and then at the projects in which an organization is involved.  These two things indicate who the organization engages and how they do so.

Q: Please discuss the importance of what Princeton AlumniCorps does for the Princeton community and communities across the country.

It creates a counter culture in some sense, one of engaged graduates of all ages.  As Princeton AlumniCorps expands and encompasses other classes, I think more and more people will see public service as a lifelong commitment, just as the founders of Princeton AlumniCorps envisioned it.

Q: For 2011-12, AlumniCorps placed 51 Project 55 fellows. What would your advice be for our newest class of PP55 fellows, and to those Princetonians who are still looking for a job next year?

For those PP55 fellows, take advantage of the opportunities that this program gives to you.  It is an opportunity to meet people across all industries that care and are passionate about making a meaningful change.

To those young Princetonians still looking for a job, this time of transition can be an opportunity to try new hats that you never thought would interest you.  Be flexible with your goals and where they may lead you.

Q: What is your hope for the future of Princeton AlumniCorps?

My hope for Princeton AlumniCorps is that it grows to incorporate not just all classes but also people of different industries.  Public service is not just a career or an internship, it is a actively engaging with the world around you. 

Grif Johnson ’72 retired from a 33-year career in the practice of law in January 2010. After a

Q: How did you hear about Wilderness Leadership and Learning (WILL)?

In the fall of 2010, I received an e-mail from the newly renamed Princeton AlumniCorps, introducing the Community Volunteers program. By then I was retired – a major milestone for me – and I was looking for ways to get involved with the community. On its face, the Community Volunteers program sounded interesting, so I went to a panel here in Washington, DC. The panel laid out the concept of Community Volunteers, which was very much in line with my personal interest in finding a place to spend my time that would be rewarding to me, and that I thought would be useful. The next session held in DC was a “speed dating” event where alumni interested in Community Volunteers could meet with representatives from nonprofits who were looking for volunteers. I was unable to attend that session, but a staff member followed up with information about a number of nonprofits I might be interested in. That is how I first heard about WILL, and the more I read and learned, the more I thought “this is something that really interests me.”

Q: Can you tell us about WILL?

The organization was founded 7 years ago by a then trial attorney here in DC, Steve Abraham, who had a life-changing experience while he was hiking out west. He had a moment where he realized that a lot of kids in inner cities never have the opportunity to experience nature in this way. He wanted to find a way to marry the enormous potential of underprivileged young people with the opportunity to literally expand their vision, to stand on top of a mountain and look 360 degrees around and say, “Wow, I never knew there was such a thing.” That is how WILL was born.

The program works with 9th, 10th and 11th graders in several of DC’s public schools. Steve works with guidance counselors and other staff in these schools to identify promising young students, who, for want of resources, are not able to enjoy opportunities to be outdoors, learn about the world, and challenge themselves in unfamiliar environments.

We start with a class of between 20 and 30 students each fall. We take the young people out in rural Virginia, where a professional outdoor training organization takes them through an exercise building a rope bridge and other things, which they use to accomplish tasks as a team that they would not be able to accomplish on their own. It teaches the kids to be careful, to be trusting, and to work in a team. Through the fall, we take the young people on trips – out on the Anacostia River and to the Chesapeake Bay, for example – where they interact with and learn about the ecosystem and the stresses it suffers. For the 11th graders, we bring in college counselors from local universities so these students, whose families do not historically have a record of attending college, can learn about the importance of college and the process of applying. We also take kids on local field trips to cultural and national institutions in DC. The whole process culminates in the summer, at the end of the academic year. We break the youth into two smaller groups and take them out for a week on the Appalachian Trail, in conjunction with the Outward Bound program.

It’s really remarkable what these young adults are capable of doing. My wife and I joined a scavenger hunt that WILL organized last May. Students were divided into groups of four, and each group was given a series of obscure questions that could only be answered by visiting specific locations on the National Mall. For example, one of the questions was: “How many columns are in the Lincoln Memorial, and what does each one represent?” Watching these young people tackle the task as a group, watching how they divide responsibilities and marshal their collective skills, was just remarkable. These young people are so inspirational to be with. It’s been a great, great experience for me to be on the board of WILL. I am so happy that I found them through the auspices of the Community Volunteers program.

Q: What is your involvement with the organization? How do you use your legal expertise?

Because WILL is currently a very small organization, as a board member, you have a choice of going to the quarterly meetings and making that the extent of your involvement, or you can also get involved in the programmatic activities. I would say that involvement in the programmatic functions of the organization and in more traditional board member service have both been deeply rewarding aspects that I have enjoyed spending time on.

Of course my legal training is always there, and there are times in the discussion at the board level where my knowledge of the law has been particularly helpful, but what I was really looking for was a different rhythm, a different environment. I wanted to walk at the pace and in the company of people who are involved in the life all around us. I am not in any way trying to suggest that I was running away from my law career, or that I needed a mental antidote, I was just really interested in spending my time in a different kind of setting while using the skills I have. I’ve found that my work with WILL has been especially rewarding because of the people involved, particularly the students.

Q: What do you think is most important for people, especially recent retirees, to think about as they consider Community Volunteers and the nonprofit sector?

You want to do something that you will look forward to doing, which interests you and motivates you. For me it was really the relationships that I have been able to develop at WILL. I did a fair amount of diligence before I offered to become a board member. I would say that’s a very important aspect. A person in my position potentially has a lot to offer from the point of view of experience, wisdom and skills that you accumulate – it’s worth something, and you don’t want to waste it. I think it’s very important that anybody contemplating retirement or volunteering do a great deal of preparation and investigation to learn about the organization and exactly what you would be doing. For me, getting involved with WILL has really been an ongoing commitment rather than something I do once every 2 or 3 months. Once you get involved, it really takes you over and you get so passionate that you spend your days and nights thinking about it, even between board meetings.

 

“Once you get involved, it really takes you over and you get so passionate that you spend your days and nights thinking about it, even between board meetings.” – Grif Johnson ‘72

Position Overview and Responsibilities

The Office Administrator ensures the smooth operation of this fast-paced and innovative community. The office administrator position requires an organized self-starter and team player to oversee day-to-day functions of the administrative and program staff at Princeton AlumniCorps; and is in many cases the first person to the organization encounter. The office administrator must have the ability to move capably and confidently between a wide range of responsibilities including reception, administrative office operations, human resources and finance.

OFFICE OPERATIONS

• Answer the main AlumniCorps phone line, welcome guests and vendors, sort mail.

• Maintain a requisition and ordering procedure for office supplies including postage, paper, etc. assuring inventory control and cost effectiveness.

• Manage office printings and mailings

• Maintain conference room schedules; arrange for meeting space and room reservations as requested by staff.

• Assist in organizing/arranging Board meetings and trainings.

• Maintain central office files including board meeting minutes and attendance sheets

• Supervise building maintenance, cleaning staff and AlumniCorps interns

• Provide administrative and planning support for staff

• Schedule regular maintenance of the office facilities

HUMAN RESOURCES

• Work with PP55 program manager to coordinate and participate in fellowship interviews with alumni and nonprofit partner organizations during the month of January.

• Work with PP55 program manager and PP55 interviewers to decide on fellowship placement referrals.

• Manage the job board for fellowship alumni and partner organizations

• Manage the volunteer board for Princeton AlumniCorps

• Lead recruitment of Princeton AlumniCorps interns from Princeton University, Princeton Theological Seminary, and surrounding colleges and universities

• Interview, hire and assign tasks and corresponding staff managers for Princeton AlumniCorps interns

• Orient and coordinate enrollment, collection of hours and associated academic credit for AlumniCorps interns

• Assist in all hiring processes to include scheduling interviews, conducting reference checks, preparing hiring packets, verification of documentation and document completion.

• Assist the Executive Director with the payroll process including: collection of employee’s time sheets/cards, verifying accuracy and preparation.

FINANCE

• Maintain donor and vendor files

• Enter bills, deposits, and petty cash expenditures in QuickBooks; prepare and process payments and deposits

• Prepare acknowledgement letters to annual giving donors via Raiser’s Edge for signature

• Update Raiser’s Edge when new address/contact information is received

• Interact with vendors on related matters to ensure good and proper business relations.

• Work closely with executive director and accountant to ensure payment of taxes, filing of appropriate forms, and effective accounting practices

GENERAL ADMINISTRATION

• Lead special projects as needed

• Help to design and maintain the AlumniCorps website

• Help to design and maintain AlumniCorps’ Shared Effort newsletter

• Collaborate with other staff as needed and appropriate

• Collaborate and communicate with alumni volunteers as needed

• Aid in organization-wide initiatives and events

• Work by the Princeton AlumniCorps Staff Values

QUALIFICATIONS

• A minimum of Bachelors Degree, plus one to five years experience in administrative support

• Good knowledge of office support functions including word processing, filing, telephone etiquette, data entry

• Must have basic math skills with minimal bookkeeping knowledge

• Ability to prioritize tasks effectively and to manage multiple projects

• Must have very strong interpersonal, communication and organizational skills.

• Ability to understand and uphold the highest level of confidentiality

• Computer knowledge and proficiency required including Microsoft Office applications including, Word, Excel, Power Point, Publisher and Outlook. Experience with RaisersEdge and Quickbooks preferred

• Experience supervising or participating in an internship program a plus

• Flexibility and openness to new ideas and feedback

• Sense of humor

Salary
Starting salary will range from $30,000-$40,000 depending on previous experience, with potential for increase in subsequent years. Compensation includes medical and dental insurance, retirement benefits, 20 days of paid time off, and generous holidays.

Location
The position is located in the Princeton AlumniCorps office at 12 Stockton Street in Princeton, NJ.

Application Process
Interested individuals should email a resume and a letter of interest and qualifications by Friday, January 20th, 2012 to info@alumnicorps.org.
A start date in early March will be determined by mutual agreement.

Princeton AlumniCorps is eager to highlight the efforts of other organizations and programs predicated on alumni civic engagement. One such program is The Princeton University Program in Teacher Preparation. Recently, Princeton Project 55 Fellowship Program Assistant Lisa Baumert had a chance to sit down with Chris Campisano, Director of Teacher Preparation and learn more about the TeacherPrep program.

The Princeton University Program in Teacher Preparation (TeacherPrep) is committed to equipping Princeton students and alumni with the skills and experience they need to effectively serve the public interest in the area of education. For the past 44 years TeacherPrep has provided students and alumni  the opportunity to earn state licensure to teach at the middle and secondary school levels in the core academic areas of English, mathematics, science, social studies, and world languages. This education program is unique in its integration of educational theory and practice, its mentorship and professional network opportunities, and its openness to Princeton alumni of all ages. TeacherPrep develops effective teachers who possess thorough knowledge of subject matter and a comprehensive understanding of learning and teaching.

Prospective students in the TeacherPrep program must complete a two-stage application process and meet minimum GPA and General Education Course requirements. Once admitted, the program includes an Introductory Practicum and four primary courses: TPP 301, Seminar on Learning and Teaching; PSY 307, Educational Psychology; TPP 401, Seminary on Education; and TPP 402, Practice Teaching. Each of these core required courses include a “field component” with experience in classroom settings. Each student enrolled in the TeacherPrep program has access to relationships and professional networks.

The TeacherPrep program offers support for Princeton alumni seeking to advance their educational and professional experience. In addition to receiving reduced tuition costs through the Princeton University Office of Continuing Education, Princeton alumni in the TeacherPrep program are eligible for financial aid.   Residency in Princeton, NJ and a year-long commitment are required for alumni in the TeacherPrep program.

Beyond preparing Princeton students and alumni to become certified teachers, The Program in Teacher Preparation at Princeton University supports education through three other initiatives: The Princeton University Preparatory Program (PUPP), which offers educational programs for economically disadvantaged high school students; QUEST, a professional development program for elementary and middle school teachers in the Princeton area; and Teachers as Scholars, which provides seminars for Princeton area teachers. TeacherPrep also helps students transition from undergrad into a professional environment by assisting them in finding full-time education placements after graduation, and offering support in students’ first years of service.

TeacherPrep offers Princeton students and alumni important knowledge and training, and experience to serve the public interest in the field of education.

Those wishing to obtain more information about the TeacherPrep program should contact Christopher J. Campisano, Director of Teacher Preparation at ccampisa@princeton.edu, or Todd W. Kent, Associate Director of Teacher Preparation/Director of Teacher Certificate Program at twkent@princeton.edu. The Program in Teacher Preparation is located at 41 William Street, Princeton, NJ 08540, Phone: (609) 258-3336 FAX: (609) 258-4527. More information can also be found at http://teacherprep.reuniontechnologies.com.

How It Works

Princeton AlumniCorps:

·         Recruits motivated, talented alumni who want to make a substantial difference in their community by volunteering.

·         Identifies nonprofit organizations with critical, capacity building needs that can be met t

hrough short-term projects with well-defined goals.

·         Matches individual alumni volunteers with nonprofits to complete projects with measurable outcomes.

Why Alumni Participate

·         Many Princeton alumni who have extensive professional experience or who are retired have the desire and time to volunteer their skills but have not found meaningful opportunities to channel their talents.

·      They are among over 76 million baby boomers in the United States, who, on average, can anticipate 30+ years of retirement.

·      Only 22% of those 55+ see retirement as a ‘winding down’ or extended vacation.

·      AlumniCorps enables alumni to gain experience in the nonprofit sector and provide valuable, impactful services.

·       Alumni enhance their professional skills through civic engagement.

Why Organizations Participate

·         Many nonprofits lack adequate resources and are struggling to fulfill their missions.

·      Skills-based volunteers give valuable, vital support that organizations may not otherwise be able to afford.

·         Nonprofits are able to more effectively serve the community by leveraging the expertise of skills-based volunteers.

·         AlumniCorps expands the number of volunteers available to nonprofits and increases their access to the skills and expertise of Princeton alumni.

·         The program generates greater awareness of nonprofit organizations through the Princeton alumni network and through publicity within the larger community.

Click here to learn more and be connected to an alumni leader in your city!

Kamilah briscoe '00

I was a PP55 fellow in NYC many years ago and worked at an organization called the Jeannette K. Watson Fellowship.  I was there for four years(!) and it was probably the best thing that could have happened to me.  The Watson Fellowship (www.jkwatson.org) is a program for undergraduate students here in the city that was – in large part – modeled after PP55.  One of the big differences was that the colleges that were invited to participate are many of the institutions that educate low-income, first generation college students.  For many students, it helped to clarify a steady, productive, meaningful career path.  It’s made an enormous difference.  Chet Safian played an important role in helping us develop materials, selection processes, internship sites for our students – anything and everything.  That program is now more than ten years old, and has its own really wonderful and diverse alumni.

I left the Watson Fellowship and went to work at a research institute at NYU for six years.  As I was leaving, I came across an open position at the Colin Powell Center which involved directing several scholarship programs for students interested in public service.  During my interview, the director of the Center acknowledged that the Powell fellowships had, themselves, been modeled after the Watson fellowship.  So in roundabout way, I’ve come full circle.  I’m sure you all have a sense of how wide your impact has been on individual fellows like myself, and on colleges involved in TAN – but here’s yet another example of PP55’s wide-reaching influence.  It’s a model that travels well, and that works.  I know I’m now three times grateful for the leadership PP55 has taken in this field – and I know I’m not the only one.

It goes without saying (I hope) that if I can be helpful in ANY way, please feel free to let me know.   I have a lot to be grateful for.

To ensure more PP55 experiences like Kamilah’s, visit www.alumnicorps.org and click the Donate button. Every little bit counts!

Program Leader Hilary Joel '85 with the inaugural class of Emerging Leaders. From L to R: Lopez' 10, Segal, Lewis LaMonica '08, Lyon '09, Host, Carlis, Lindsey *07, Fesler '01, Joel '85, Parker '06, Simmons '03, Fridirici '06

“The Emerging Leaders program has not only provided me with useful tools for understanding  how I can become a better leader in my current position, but has inspired me to continue to improve my network, my self-awareness, and my skills so that I can build a lifelong career in the nonprofit sector.”  

               -  Elizabeth Lindsey *07, DC Emerging Leader, Managing Director of The DC Project

With participants scheduled to attend their fifth session this month, Princeton AlumniCorps’ new Emerging Leaders program is well underway and already providing tangible benefits to aspiring nonprofit leaders in Washington, DC.

Feedback from participants to date has been overwhelmingly positive. Susan Lyon ’09, Special Assistant for Energy and Environmental Policy at the Center for American Progress, shares:

“Let me put it this way—when I told my DC colleagues about Emerging Leaders, they all wanted to join. The program has really added value to my Princeton education after Princeton. Alumni programming is one of the reasons why I chose to attend Princeton, and this makes me glad I did. Specifically, the expert combination of management theory, speaker series, and hands-on brainstorming makes Emerging Leaders an incredibly useful series of workshops and trainings.”

The program curriculum interweaves the development of leadership, management, and hard nonprofit skills with mentoring, peer support, and networking within the sector. Simultaneously, Emerging Leaders are putting their learning into action as they design and execute projects that generate real results for their organizations. The pilot Emerging Leaders program runs for 10 months, culminating in a celebration and presentation by the participants in March 2011.

Program sessions to date have featured presentations from well-known leaders in the nonprofit sector, including: Judith Sandalow, Executive Director of The Children’s Law Center; Eric Schweikert, CFO of Share Our Strength; and Khari Brown, Executive Director of Capital Partners for Education.

Over the course of the next six months, participants will continue to develop the knowledge, skills, and confidence they need to advance their professional contributions and accelerate their careers in the nonprofit sector.

To learn more about Emerging Leaders, please visit www.alumnicorps.org

John Fish ’55

For nearly 50 years John has been involved in numerous community organizations and associations in Chicago. From 1969 to 1997 he was on the faculty of the Associated Colleges of the Midwest Urban Studies Program, an off-campus experiential semester for students from 13 Midwest colleges. John was appointed as the Chair of the Board of Princeton AlumniCorps on October 1.

Q: Your recent appointment as Board Chair is your third time serving on the Board. Why did you initially get involved with the organization and what has kept you engaged for all these years?

After the Washington meeting, my classmate Steve Boyd ’55 came out and told me about the original idea for Princeton Project 55. I immediately got excited about it. I hadn’t known Princeton University to do anything like this before, and it sounded great. My enthusiasm carried me through the first meetings, and into helping to put together the founding document. In that first year, we had three fellows in Chicago and three in Washington.

My reasons for remaining engaged with Princeton AlumniCorps are the same as the reasons for starting my connection. I love working with young people, and love staying in touch with so many interesting organizations. It helps to keep me involved in the city (Chicago) and is very inspiring.

Q: Why do you think the goals and programs of Princeton AlumniCorps still resonate with people some 22 years on?

The first year out of college is so important for young people. It’s an opportunity for recent graduates to explore different possibilities and interests. Once you get involved with a permanent job, you don’t often get the opportunity to do that again. Giving young people early exposure to public service careers through Princeton AlumniCorps will always be really valuable. I continue to be interested when a young person finds a goal or project that they find exciting.

The opportunities the Project 55 Fellowship Program provides are really exciting. Over 22 years conducting this program, Princeton AlumniCorps has developed a large community of alumni and organizations interested in the public interest. Community Volunteers, one of our new programs, leverages our dynamic network to connect alumni from the ’60s, ’70s and ’80s with innovative volunteer opportunities in the nonprofit sector. Emerging Leaders, our program for aspiring nonprofit leaders, continues to develop our alumni and their impact. Our programs connect alumni with the many rewarding career and volunteer opportunities that exist in the nonprofit sector.

Q: You have often talked about how the PP55 program puts young Princetonians into challenging situations outside of the classroom. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

The first year I was involved with Princeton AlumniCorps, a fellow called Sarah was working for an organization called Health and Medicine Policy Research Group, headed up by Quentin Young. It was a great organization, but at that stage only just starting up. There was only one other staff member – the Executive Director, and Sarah. During the first year, Sarah came up to me and said John, “the Executive Director has left and I’m the only staff person, I need help.” To Sarah’s credit, she ended up keeping the organization alive, and raising money until they found a new Executive Director. It was such an experience for someone straight out of college and to this day, Quentin still speaks of her highly. 

 A lot of other interesting stories came from fellows working in North Lawndale in Chicago, where many of the organizations had a large African American membership. For fellows from very different backgrounds it was such a valuable learning experience, and so exciting to work with such an effective community group. I remember one woman who did a fellowship at an African American faith-based community organization in Chicago. She was Jewish and she asked me, “John, do you think I’ll fit in?” The first week she was there, they had a big retreat. It was so different to her existing experience, but she was accepted straight away and became immediately involved in the community.

Q: What role do you think the organization plays in the broader Princeton community and in communities around the country?

I think the greatest role we play is as brokers between nonprofit organizations and alumni. We help nonprofit organizations to find talented people, as well as helping alumni to get into something really challenging. It has a great impact on the community, because we can help these talented, smart, Princeton graduates to use their skills in important areas.

Q: What do you see as some of the challenges and opportunities you will encounter in your upcoming term as Board Chair? And what is your hope for the future of Princeton AlumniCorps?

One of the things that I’d like to focus on is to find new ways to energize Princeton alumni across the year groups. With only four or five staff members, we are limited in capacity, and I’d like to see our programming flourish – managed and led by alumni. Our board, and our wide network of volunteers, is multigenerational. Our two newest programs, Community Volunteers and Emerging Leaders, embody Princeton AlumniCorps’ recent growth, and the involvement of alumni of all ages with the organization. Our aim is to encourage and develop alumni who have the capacity and passionate leadership to deliver and manage their own innovative programs. I think the fundamental goal of AlumniCorps should be to continue thriving as an organization run by alumni for alumni, across the generations.